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mfox

South Orange, New Jersey
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 367

Re: Apple Blossom 10k Race Report Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 5:07 pm 

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OldManRunner wrote:
Rickshaw and I will be running the Wineglass Marathon in Corning, NY together 10/1, and as always I'll be trying to BQ for the 1st time. But because I'll be 45 next April I've now got a primary goal of breaking 3:30 to BQ (likely...I've done so in all but the 1st of my 4 marathons to-date), and a stretch goal of 3:20 that I chased for 3+ years and could never reach.


I've had my eye on the Wineglass Marathon for a while. It sounds like a really nice marathon. The cost is very reasonable and Corning, NY is only a 4.5 hour drive (a good distance for a weekend getaway). I don't think I'll try it this year since I'm already registered for the Mount Desert Island Marathon (Oct 15) and the Marine Corp. Marathon (Oct. 29) and NYC Marathon (Nov. 5). I may have my entry to NYC deferred to 2007 since it's only a week after the Marine Corps Marathon. But it depends on how hard I plan to run the MCM. If I can manage to get a BQ in another marathon before MCM then I could try to do those two marathons at an easy pace. I have to give this more thought.


OldManRunner
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Rochester, NY
Joined: 28 Nov 2004
Posts: 262

Re: Apple Blossom 10k Race Report Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 5:12 pm 

If you change your mind, let us know. It would be fun to get together. Sounds like you've already got an insanely full marathon schedule for the fall, though. Why so many so close together? Just because they're all so good and you don't want to miss them even though they're packed together; you've promised to help to pace other runners; or something else altogether?

mfox

South Orange, New Jersey
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 367

Re: Apple Blossom 10k Race Report Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 8:00 am 

OldManRunner wrote:
Sounds like you've already got an insanely full marathon schedule for the fall, though. Why so many so close together? Just because they're all so good and you don't want to miss them even though they're packed together; you've promised to help to pace other runners; or something else altogether?


As I've mentioned before, one of my long term goals is to run a marathon in every state. I'm slowly getting through the New England states and I've not done a Marathon in Maine yet. We vacation in Maine, near Bar Harbor, every summer (in-laws have a house on a bay) and so it was just a matter of time before I did the MDI Marathon in Bar Harbor.

But since most of the good marathons seem to all be in October and November I don't have much choice if I want to do 2-3 nearby marathons.

I've always wanted to do the Marine Corps Marathon but always missed registering in time. This scheduled a reminder to sign on on "openning day." I ran NYC and Philadelphia with two weeks between them last year and ended up running better at Philadelphia, two weeks later, than I did at NYC. So I'm confident I can "complete" the two marathons with "reasonable" tmes. The MDI Marathon is rather hilly so I doubt I can expect to PR. So I may just do it as a long training run and hope to recover in time to give a full effort for the Marine Corps Marathon two weeks later.

I'll then plan on running NYC VERY easy. But I can wait upuntill a few days before NYC to decide to defer my entry until 2007 if I dont' feel up to running it. So depending on who the first two marathons go I may not do NYC this year.

Since it's possibel that I may not be able to PR at any of these marathons I'm still left with the challenge of achieving my goal to qualify for Boston. So, I'm cosidering running one more marathon before all of these that would give me a good chance to qualify for Boston.

I've put in a few good long runs lately (18-20) and can be ready to switch from base phase to build/peak phase at any time. I usually don't start getting serious about marathon training until the first week in July as I shoot for my "A" race at NYC. But I'm ready to start much sooner. So, the Wineglass Marathon might be a possible candidate since the elevation profile of that race makes it appear that it's mostly a gradual down hill course.


Rickshaw
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
San Francisco, CA
Joined: 26 Nov 2004
Posts: 1157

Re: Apple Blossom 10k Race Report Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 11:53 am 

mfox wrote:
Since it's possibel that I may not be able to PR at any of these marathons I'm still left with the challenge of achieving my goal to qualify for Boston. So, I'm cosidering running one more marathon before all of these that would give me a good chance to qualify for Boston.

I've put in a few good long runs lately (18-20) and can be ready to switch from base phase to build/peak phase at any time. I usually don't start getting serious about marathon training until the first week in July as I shoot for my "A" race at NYC. But I'm ready to start much sooner. So, the Wineglass Marathon might be a possible candidate since the elevation profile of that race makes it appear that it's mostly a gradual down hill course.


Yes, it should be a pretty fast course, which is one of the main reasons we selected it. It should hopefully be faster than any previous course I've run except CIM and perhaps Austin. Past reviews have been very positive: check out www.marathonguide.com . The only downside is that the number of runners and spectators is small, so if you need lots of people around to help get your mojo going, you won't get it there.


mfox

South Orange, New Jersey
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 367

Re: Apple Blossom 10k Race Report Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:09 pm 

I've checked out Marathonguide.com (I always check out Marathonguide.com) and the reviews are what have influenced me to consider this marathon. I haven't read all the review but haven't found any indication of whether or not the amount of downhill running is significant enough to be an issue on the quads. I think if it was it would be mentioned in some of the more recent reviews.

Recently I've found that I have enjoyed more the marathons where the fans are few and far between. The last two times I ran NYC I found the "pounding" crowd noise a little bothersome.


Rickshaw
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
San Francisco, CA
Joined: 26 Nov 2004
Posts: 1157

Wineglass Marathon Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 1:22 pm 

mfox wrote:
I haven't read all the review but haven't found any indication of whether or not the amount of downhill running is significant enough to be an issue on the quads. I think if it was it would be mentioned in some of the more recent reviews.


I wouldn't think it would be an issue. The total elevation drop is only about 200 feet, which is pretty tame. By comparison, CIM has a 340 foot drop, and is considered a great PR course. Boston has a 480 foot drop, with most of that in the first half, then the Newton Hills followed by more elevation drop.


mfox

South Orange, New Jersey
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
Posts: 367

Re: Wineglass Marathon Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 6:16 pm 

Yeah, I didn't think it would be an issue, especially since the total drop is spread out over most of the course rather than in the first half or just a few places. Hmmm...I'm leaning...I'm leaning.... But I need to let this stew and try to look at my crystal ball to see if there might be any potential conflicts that weekend.

OldManRunner
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Rochester, NY
Joined: 28 Nov 2004
Posts: 262

Re: Wineglass Marathon Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 6:52 pm 

I ran Wineglass in 2002 and really enjoyed it, but it was my first and I had nothing to compare it to at the time. The pre-race expo is essentially packet pick-up with a few vendor card tables set up here and there. There are definitely no significant downhills to abuse your quads. Crowds are far and few between apart from the relay points, but the fall foliage is beautiful. Most of the race is on rural roads. As Rickshaw reminded me, the roads are not closed to traffic on portions of the course, but it was never an issue the year I ran it. I have memories of some beautiful scenery and rural quiet from the year I ran it, but on a crappy rainy day I suppose that could just as easily be memories of dreary gray with no crowd support. I do remember that there was all-you-can eat homemade soup at the finish, and that I sat there for 1 1/2 hours cheering on finishers and eating soup in the sunshine. Corning's a very nice small city, too, with lots of good restaurants, art galleries, etc. if you enjoy that kind of thing. Obviously lots of NYS finger lakes wineries within easy driving, too.

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